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The present day United States would have been divided into five or six countries, not just the United States and the Confederacy, if the South had won the American Civil War. Texas would have seceded from the Confederacy, and would have become a sovereign republic for the second time in its history. California also would have become a separate country. The State of Utah would have become a Church State, governed by the Mormons. A confederation of Western States would have formed the sixth country, which would have included the present day Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, Oregon, and Colorado. This Western Confederation would have failed, however, and would have joined the Union in the 1930s, at the height of the great Depression.

Abraham Lincoln would not have been assassinated, since John Wilkes Booth would have not had a motive, and would have served as a senator from Illinois for more than twenty years. He would have written his memoirs after the war ended, which would have created a sensation. The book would have sold many thousands of copies in both the United States and the Confederacy. More copies would have been sold in the Confederacy than in the US, since the former rebels would have been more interested in reading about why they won the war than the US would have been in reading about why they lost it.

Robert E. Lee would have become Confederate President Jefferson Davis's special envoy to the United States. But the strain of the job, and trying to maintain friendly relations with a former enemy, would have led to an early death in 1870.

The Confederacy would not have become involved in the First World War, nor would any of the other American countries, which would have prolonged the war for nearly a year. Slavery would also have continued in the Confederacy until the 1920s, when the institution would have outlived its usefulness. The practice of racial integration would have remained in effect, however. This policy would have been a major bone of contention between the US and the Confederacy throughout their history.

The five American countries would have formed an alliance during the Second World War to fight Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. But each of the separate countries would have had its own commander. General Dwight D. Eisenhower would have commanded the forces from Texas, while General George s. Patton would have led the Confederate forces. General Omar Bradley would have commanded the US forces. After the war, all five American countries would have returned to a peaceful co-existence, with occasional bickering over politics and economics.

Had the Southern Confederacy won the American Civil War, the country would be far different than it is today, for better or worse. The United States would never have developed into a world power, and never would have become the superpower of the mid-twentieth century and beyond. Which means that the world would also have been a far different place, for better or worse.

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I think that no other countries other than the union and the confederacy would be formed. i think if the south had won the war they would have made there demands to the union and would have tried to keep slavery even if slavery would have lasted it would have died out. Then the confederacy would have rejoined the union. By Anonymous on 06-02-13 at 10:54pm
Assuming that the same people were born, but if there were separated countries, families could have been seperated, leading to different people going different places, so there is almost no likelihood the same people with the same names would be born. By Anonymous on 02-04-13 at 10:04pm
I wouldn't think that we'd join WW
I mean if Japan knew we were at a constant state of conflict why try to unify us with tiny attacks. They only attacked in response to our unified embargo of oil, without us as a major power Japan would control Asia and the oil in indenosia defeating any reason to attack America. Also without America as a huge power WW1 would have ended differently without American trade. I think Russia would have become the dominant power after defeating Germany weakened after conquering Europe at this point Hitler would be using slave soldiers or children. By Anonymous on 14-04-13 at 01:49pm
I disagree with the 6 country hypothesis for North America. If anything, given the huge armed forces created by North and South, the North would have found a pretext to invade Canada and the South would have taken over most of Mexico. Both super states would then feel that the national size had been restored to their repsective versions of America. By Mikey on 16-05-13 at 04:43pm
Don't forget about the advancements in agriculture, science, and technology. African Americans would not have been able to become as educated. By Anonymous on 22-07-13 at 09:17am
Butterfly effect... Everything would change, every sperm cell, every person would be different. Every interaction of human history would change in a cascade, everything affecting everything else, every atom, every molecule, would start moving in a different path. By rev on 23-07-13 at 01:34am
Mikey, Canada was still part of the British Empire, the major power at the time. The North USA nation would not fair well in such a battle for Canada. USA as a united nation lost against the British Empire in the 181
war so I am not sure why you think it would just as a smaller nation be able to take Canada. By Anonymous on 30-08-13 at 12:20am
I agree that the continental US would not be 6 countries. The 19th Century was still one of expanding imperialism. Texas, having won independence first from Mexico and then from the CSA would cast its eyes west to the NM territory and CA. If they hadn't these areas would have remained part of Mexico. The race west for resources would be between the CSA and the USA with bitter memory of the Missouri Compromise infecting both sides. That would result in Texas and/or Mexico holding the Southwest, the CSA holding the south, Kansas, Oklahoma, and maybe the Utah Territories, the USA getting the North, Nebraska, Washington, and Oregon territories. Canada would extend from the 49th parallel to the north and Russia would hold Alaska with the possibility that they might extend to BC during the last half of the 19th Century. However, due to internal problems at home, they also may have sold it to Canada/Britain. Maybe. Depends on if they discovered gold or not. By rick on 30-08-13 at 10:22am
i think the South would have eventually invaded Cuba, Venezuela, Many of the Carrib islands, and Central America. Probably Texas would have become its own country again but it too would have had expansionist interests into northern Mexico, N.Mex, Ariz, poss So. Cal. They would have given up slavery per se in the 1870s through international pressure and there would have been far less racial strife as the South would have reconstruced itself without the hatred toward the black race inspired by the reconstruction tactics of the North. As importantly, the late 1800's would have seen less grotesque greed and corruption in the North. I think the North Westertn States may have formed its own confederation but more than likely would have remained in or joined the Union. Canada would be essentially the same. There is also the real possibility that barring expansionism in the Confederacy, there would be certain states that would have REjoined the Union- such as Virginia, which was already deliberating an end to slavery, and since there was so much dissention among the separate Southern States it is even possible that the "confederacy" could not hold together and one by one states would have returned to the Union (or Texas) which would havce developed constitutions barring the right of states to seceed. Lots more stuff too. Certainly, the Monroe Doctrine would have gone out the window opening the powerful Euro Nations to exploit the Southern Western Hemisphere. There is no doubt that The Confederacy, if it held together would have had a more dedicated army and would have joined in the defeat of Germany before the Union and may, as a result have benefitted. By tom on 14-09-13 at 10:34pm
After the war Lincoln sent 50,000 troops and a lot of supplies to help Juarez defeat the French Maximilian. Had he not been defeated the new French/Mexican army would have soon taken Texas back as Mexico along with most of the west and the French would have also taken New Orleans and the lower Mississippi. Spain would have probably taken Florida and much of the lower Atlantic coast. France and Spain would have likely carved up anything where a superior navy could function. The Confederacy had nothing valid as a navy. Virginia would have likely rejoined the north for protection unless it too were taken by the Spanish navy using the Rappahannock River. Both the north and south had lost so many men and resources by the end of the war that neither could have fought off outside attacks alone. England and Canada may well have succeeded in making the north back into an English Colony as the weakened and divided states failed as individual countries who were then incapable of standing together for anything. England would have never allowed the French and Spanish to have the whole pie. America the great dream would have died completely at that point... Lincoln was right... By FJR on 08-10-13 at 05:35am
we wouldn't have 13,14,or the 15 amendment. By jake on 29-10-13 at 09:13pm
What a lot of Bull! Alliance against the Axis powers? Don't think so, my friend. The South would never have sacrificed their young men for the sake of Europe. Just sayin. By Anonymous on 16-11-13 at 12:46pm
Hawaii would have been a Japanese territory or a French colony, or perhaps just another Polynesian island. Since the Union would barely extend to the Pacific ocean. Hence no Pearl Harbor and US entry in the war. England would have lost WWII to Germany, who conceivably could have come to a peace with Russia after dividing up Poland, Eastern Europe and the Middle east. I agree that Russia would have probably been one of the dominate world powers along with The Third Reich. Canada being a Britich colony, would have become part of the Reich and the small, bickering countries of North America would have fallen one by one. Most of our oil used in WWII was from Texas remember. By Mark on 18-11-13 at 11:21am
Since the Union would not have extended to the West Coast, Hawaii would probably not have been an American territory. No Pearl Harbor and no entry into WWII. England would have lost the war without our help. Russia and the 3rd Reich would have sued for peace. Those two nations would have been the major world powers. Since Canada was a British colony, It would have become part of the Reich. It would not have taken much to then conquor the little bickering republics of North America. Who knows what the geopolitical map would have looked like before the war, as we would not have owned the Phillipines either. had the South won and we became an agricultural power rather than industrial one, we would be speaking German right now..those of us that survived the concentration camps that is. By mark on 18-11-13 at 03:31pm
To the person who said Canada was a British Colony in world war two. That is not true we were independant by then and were part of the British Commonwealth not the British Empire. We declared war independantly in World War Two. So most likely the relationship with Canada and the US and the confederacy would have been very different. Many in Canada supported the confederacy and many others supported the Union. There were many who voluntarily went to fight for both sides. In Saint John New Brunswick there was one newspaper who supported the UNion while another supported the confederacy. We had both confederate ships and UNion ships come into our harbours. I would think there would have been three countries on a little more equal footing if the South had have won. And perhaps we would have not lost all our canadian businesses to WalMArt and Target. By revjohnnym on 22-11-13 at 07:55am
What is this about a second world war without a Strong America to enter the First World War and bar the use of U-Boats Germany would have controlled the waters and France and Germany would have had to reach an agreement or Germany would have won. By Anonymous on 05-12-13 at 11:43pm
Sharing similar racial ideals and socialist leanings, do you think that instead of aan american alliance.. there was a chance that the confederacy would have sided with germany? By Ds2 on 17-12-13 at 02:18pm
Canada did not open up it's west until the railroad was built in 1881. The northern states or country would have moved in on that and war with Britain would have happened. They would receive no help from the USA. Southern states would have eyes for Mexico and Central America, Texas being the most militant. It wouldn't come to pass as the south would not be able to fund a war. Slowly as time changed the southern states would re-enter the Union. By Anonymous on 17-12-13 at 03:53pm
I see optimism in a Union loss (my grandfather wore blue). What were the great accomplisments in the real USA of c.1865-1900? Whipping the frontier, absorbing millions of diverse immigrants, a tremendous agricultural boom, a great commercial-urban-industrial developement (complete with great inventors and capitalists), monumental artistic/intellectual achievement to challenge Europe, and a fantastic growth of wealth and standard of living. How much of this was south of the Mason-Dixon line? After a generation of self-congratulations for having whipped the Damn Yankees, the "down at the heals" South would have come on their knees to get back in the Union. They would have been told to get lost!!! By Moon on 21-12-13 at 01:22am
I wonder what political parties would have developed in the Confederacy and who would have been president of the Confederacy in 1967... remember they had a one, six-year term limit on the president (maybe not a bad idea). I could see two political parties, one softer on the issue of slavery and the other more hardline. Given Robert E. Lee's health, he may have declined running for president, leaving quite a void. Given that Gettysburg must of never happened or turned out differently, then James Longstreet might have been a viable candidate for president. Then again, Stonewall, might have survived, but it's hard to imagine him as a politician. By Dennis on 05-01-14 at 06:25pm
Winning probably would have meant that the south would have rejoined the Union minus possibly Texas. The difference would have been a far stonger southern power base and issues related to slavery would have been settled law with a pro south flavor. For example the future states would have been slave states and issues such as the fugitive slave act would have continued. Power in congress would be skewed to the south.Slavery would have died out in time, probably sooner than the suggestion of 19
0s. By Anonymous on 09-02-14 at 07:12pm
One of the best answers out there. I used bits and pieces to strengthen my knowledge. Thanks SOO much!! By josh sifford on 25-02-14 at 12:10pm
I agree with Texas being its own republic, but california along with a few other western states would have made a fourth country. I do not believe Utah would have been allowed to become a church state, so we would have ended up with possibly four countries!! Slavery would have remained in the south, but only for a couple of decades,because of world pressures!!! By michael on 27-03-14 at 03:09am
I think that the south would stay as it's own country for another 30 years with slavery and then after 30 years there would be another war with an American victory By Hi on 03-04-14 at 05:58pm
Very interesting, however, it has to be defined better what a confederate win means because it determines what the level of European Involvement would be and what North America looks like
0 to 50 years later. Victory is defined as...? 1. the south just beating the union to a point where the Union gives up and sues for peace and allows the confederacy to be independent? Confederate troops go home and dont cross back into the Union?
. Does the confederacy take Union territory? (i.e. key points of industry? strategic trading ports, etc.?) 3. Do other states begin succeed from Union and join the confederacy for post-war political / economic reasons? Jumping on the band-wagon. 4. Most Extreme - Do they stop w/ just forcing the Union to surrender and give up some land or does the confederacy go for total control and take NYC and/or Washington DC? This discussion seems to fit a "clean break" end of the war, scenario 1. However, I dont think that would have happened once the tide turned and the South had the North on the run. Scenario 1 would have very quickly lead to scenario
and maybe 4 (especially if neutral European Countries started to jump on the South Bandwagon, put skin in the game, and started supplying the eventual winner with more supplies, mercenaries, etc.. I think scenario 3 happens and gets to the point where the union gives the confederacy everything they want. Confederacy wouldnt burn North Cities (revenge for Atlanta). The Union doesnt want a European influenced south that destabilizes North America for generations and thus making them weaker than before. So they would compromise with the confederacy, stop hostilities, and eventually re-unify all the states (under the confederacy's terms. This would have lead to a much smaller federal government system, with more empowered States' rights. By Traveler of Time and Space on 07-04-14 at 11:55pm
If the south would have won, then first off, smaller government would have been a longer lasting outcome on both sides due to the fight being mostly about states rights. Not to take away from the atrocities of slavery but it wasn't what the South was willing to send their men to die for . In a sense yes because it fell under a state sanctioned laws but no because it wasn't what their primary focus was all about, it fell under states rights. The heavy taxation from the north was also, on the peoples minds, which in the end only got worse. It wAs a fight for independence for a people that was lost. The only true great thing that came out of it was a people did win their independence from slavery. The aftermath, from the atrocities of the reconstruction nearly completely destroyed all southern culture and left most disenfranchised And created still existent, poverty, mistrust, and hatred , for all peoples. If the south would have won, slavery would have been abolished, the only question is would the transition have been better or worse, I believe points can be made for both States rights would have championed longer standing freedoms that we have since lost and also potentially made the union states make shift in policy because of eventual public outcry or defections to the confederacy by the public and economically. The push and pull between countries would still exist today however I believe the world wars would have joined us to at the very least strong allies if not a stronger union. Families would still exist on both sides and bonds between peoples and economic ties would put these two nations at the very least partially dependent on each other By Hypotheticals are fun on 10-05-14 at 12:36pm
I believe that Utah would have definitely become the nation deseret.all the drama after the north losing would give a historical buffer to future expansion. The west,especially California,Oregon and nevada,would be flush with money due to mining and would be able to dictate how and whom it would choose to align with.worse case for conflict is the ability of such wealth in the west to purchase a private army?the long term of such events would lead definitely to a much weaker nation for all in north america and would of been disastrous for any hope of real democracy in the world post ww1.not sure if there would be another ww?anyhow the world would most definitely be a sadder more depressing state of being.thank god the north won By sid on 10-05-14 at 05:12pm
50 plus years later , the Germans win WWI. There is no Bolshevik revolution but the Monarchy in Russia does fall as Russia loses the war. Japan has a maritime empire in Asia. England and France lose their empires earlier than they did and are prosperous mid-sized countries that Germany dominates economically - just like today, but pretty much leaves alone as they concentrate on eastern europe ( lebenstram ). China overcomes obstacles as she did in the
0th century and is a great power. The American republics are prosperous countries but they remain peripheral world players , just as they did in the 19th century. By winchester on 20-05-14 at 09:08pm
If the South had won, there will be 4 nations: USA, CSA, Texas and California. Texas and California would both fight each other for Mexico and the other western territories. Texas will ally itself with the CSA while California allies itself with the USA. These two alliances would divide the American continent. During WW1, Germany may ally itself with the CSA. In return, Germany will help them gain dominance over the USA. The USA, however, will hear the message and attack the CSA before they make a response. Then there will be two wars during WW1: one in Europe and one in North America. Even without American intervention, Germany will eventually lose the war. The CSA and Texas would probably had won since they gained more territories in Central America and, possibly, South America. For WW
, none of the American countries had any interest in conquering Hawaii, so there wouldn't have been an attack on Pearl Harbor. Germany will eventually defeat Britain and would have made a short treaty with the Soviet Union. Later, Japan will conquer Hawaii and will later attack California. The CSA and Texas will then ally themselves with Japan to conquer the USA and California. With the CSA on the Axis side, Hitler will then call for a two-front war on the Soviet Union. In the end, the Axis powers, Germany, Japan, Italy, Texas, and the CSA, will be the major powers of the world. However, Japan will receive tensions between Germany, as they both are the leading super powers, and Texas, as they both want California. By Anonymous on 08-06-14 at 01:59am
To all those who say that Germany would win WWI or II, I think not. Germany had, more or less, lost WWI before the US had joined. The US’ fresh troops and equipment certainly sped up the end, but without them it would still have ended in an allied victory. This in turn may have ended in more amicable terms for Germany (a longer war means we all want peace more) and therefore, possibly no WWII at all – why would the little Bohemian corporal need to see revenge for the humiliation of the Versailles treaty if it didn’t happen. No, Germany would not have been made nearly bankrupt (though I believe that they would still have lost their empire), no mega-inflation and, instead, more co-operation across Europe – perhaps even an earlier and slightly different EEC? Had WWII taken place as it actually was, even this was lost by the Germans before the US joined (remember that the British, and her empire stood alone against them from 1939). The key turning point of WWII was (1) the loss by the Axis of the Battle of Britain, (
) the invasion of the Soviet Union by the Axis and (3) the final loss of North Africa and preventing their advance into the Middle East and therefore no oil. The US did assist in Northwest Africa, to cut off Germany’s retreat into the Atlantic but, again, Germany had lost this battle without the US. Of course, that is based on that fact that (1) the Confederacy don’t instead invade the Union and end up as ultimately the United Confederate (50) States of America, or, if they didn’t, (
) that after a humiliating defeat for the North, they rebuild and, perhaps towards the end of the 19th century declare war and retake the South – a return to the status quo. By Shevchenko on 07-07-14 at 10:02am
It's well-known that American entry into World War I prolonged it by a year. Without the USA, the continental powers — exhausted by war — would have signed peace. Without the Treaty of Versailles, the Weimar Republic wouldn't have fallen and there would never have been a Nazi Germany, and therefore Holocaust and World War II. By Anonymous on 05-08-14 at 02:23pm
Interesting stuff. I would have thought that Nazi/Fascist ideas at the time of WW
would have brought a confederacy country into allegiance with Hitler rather than against him surely. Many of his ideas would have gone down pretty well down in the South at the time. Possibly enough to agree to share the West and Asia with Japan and fight against the North. I would have thought that without the USA, the British Empire wouldn't have been quite so diminished so quickly, so there may not even have been a WW1, as the Germans may not have been brave enough to go toe to toe with the British, given they would still have controlled so much of the world. Of course if the south had won, pretty much the whole would would be completely different, probably for the better. By Anonymous on 14-08-14 at 07:30am
You forget all those leaders ie; Eisenhower, Patton, and Bradley, got their experience and fame from World War I. So to say that they would have led in WWII with the US broken up into countries themselves doesnt match up. By Anonymous on 19-08-14 at 11:51am
Had the South won, they would have had to evolve into an industrial economy just like every body else, which would have made slavery unfeasible (the worker needs disposable income to buy the product). They could not have continued a cotton for steel commerce system. The Confederate States would have probably followed the same path England took to end slavery: compensate the slaveowner. Sharecropping would still have been the fate of the ex-slave, while the poor rural whites would have eased into factory work. By Anonymous on 20-08-14 at 11:54am
If Utah would have become a church state would WW I have started as Browning was a Mormon and probably have not left Utah to develop the 380 ACP? Just a question regarding the butterfly effect. By Just a thought on 20-08-14 at 08:32pm
slavery would be still in effect and alot more wars would still be going on. By Anonymous on 13-10-14 at 07:59pm
Here's what would have happened: England would have sided with the South, which then would have won. The Yankees would have then been sandwiched between the CSA on the south and the British Empire in the north. When WW1 began, the CSA would have supported the British; however, their isolationist tendencies would have prevented their making outright war on the Axis powers. The North would have eventually supported the Axis powers and attempted to retake the South. This would have started the second war for Southern independence, which would then become a part of WW1. The North and the Germans would have been defeated, ultimately. During the second war, the Mormons, who had been persecuted by the North after the first war of Southern Independence, would petition the British Empire for support and, having obtained that, would be become a protectorate of the British Empire with CSA support. CA, Oregon, Washington, and most of Idaho, as well as all of Montana, Wyoming, and all western states other than Utah, Nevada, northern AZ and southern Idaho would remain in the U.S.A. Texas would not secede because the CSA allows it to be largely autonomous, but NM and southern AZ would be added to Texas' holdings after the second war for Southern independence (WW1). Hawaii would become a British protectorate in WW1, and Japan would eventually fight China and Russia, but with British help. Slavery would end in the CSA in 1917, after the British Empire refuses to support the CSA against the USA. The world would be a better place. There would be no atomic bomb. There would be no demographic crisis threatening the very existence of Europeans. The Ottoman empire, after its defeat, would be dismantled and the Christian, Yazidi, and Madaean minorities of the region given greater power. Islam would not threaten the world because British and French colonial power in Africa and the Middle East would not cease. By Rytch-Yunder on 24-10-14 at 09:52pm
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